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[Jan. 13th, 2006|02:29 pm]
Darth Paradox
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I'm beginning to understand hatred for Outlook.

My attitude at the beginning was "well, it's a nice little program, does my mail, does my calendar. Cool. What's the problem?"

The problem, as it turns out - or one of the big ones - is that Outlook will once in a while (say, once a week) decide "Well, you don't get to do any more work right now." and consume all of my CPU until I kill it off and restart it. Grargh.

On the other hand, this is one of the most awesome things I've seen in at least a few days:


For some reason, I'm thinking of Stefan and Adam when I see this.

...So it appears one of the causes for the Outlook problem was that someone sent a 286 KB attachment to a 1500-person mailing list. Twice. Outlook tries to download the message at the same time as everyone else, and croaks. RAGE. I'm going to make quite sure the person in question knows that this is a horrible idea.

[User Picture]From: aeire
2006-01-13 10:33 pm (UTC)
Outlook like the mail program? I used that religiously until I started using Firefox more, and realized that Thunderbird, the mail program that they offer, is even more versatile than Outlook ever was. Faster, too - and you can import all your old saved Outlook mail and address books into it. ...course if you're using a Mac that idea's screwed because I don't think they have a mac client, but you might want to give it a try if it's causing those kinds of issues with your computer.
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[User Picture]From: darthparadox
2006-01-13 10:36 pm (UTC)
Yeah. I just haven't really gotten around to looking at other options.

Does Thunderbird handle the Outlook formatted meeting/appointment stuff too? Meeting requests, in particular, from Outlook users... Cause I really need that functionality out of whatever client I use.
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[User Picture]From: aeire
2006-01-13 10:42 pm (UTC)
There's a calendar and scheduling program also offered by Firefox - I think Thunderbird either a: comes with a calendar or b: there's an extension thingy for it, you know those nifty little addons? Thunderbird's got a ton of those available too. It'd be worth looking into anyway - it's not going to wreck your Outlook to import the info it's got into Thunderbird and give it a tryout.
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From: dacut
2006-01-14 01:11 am (UTC)
It's called Sunbird, but it's not quite ready for primetime. Last time I used it, it worked ok as long as you didn't have to share your calendar or add appointments via e-mail.
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[User Picture]From: nagashi
2006-01-13 10:39 pm (UTC)
From a IT perspective, that's not the half of it.

outlook is:

1) difficult to backup
2) difficult to migrate to/from
3) unsafe (uses Internet Explorer to render html email. thusly, if there is an IE vulnerability (of which there are dozens per year), then outlook is vulnerable)

While I would never suggest that thunderbird is MORE capable (does not support syncing with a server for calendaring, no PDA integration, contact management is shit, also difficult to backup), it's a HELL of a lot safer, and mostly functional.

The safety issue is the biggest part of that. Disabling/not using internet explorer is a great first step to making a computer safe. Many people do this but continue to use outlook/outlook express, and therefore continue to be open to numerous security holes =/
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[User Picture]From: darthparadox
2006-01-14 12:16 am (UTC)
...Yeah. I'm not sure what the state of our company network security is, as it relates to these sorts of insecurities, but blocking port 80 isn't exactly a viable solution, so I suspect the danger's still quite there.
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[User Picture]From: nagashi
2006-01-14 05:24 am (UTC)
blocking port 80 wouldn't really do much. about the only thing you can do is, well, not use outlook =/

the product is inherently unsafe.
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[User Picture]From: zephulos
2006-01-14 05:38 am (UTC)
So - what happens to the chair in the last half second of the clip?
And yeah, I'd totally set that up. I like my spine a little too much, perhaps, to prototype the event.
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[User Picture]From: darthparadox
2006-01-14 05:47 am (UTC)
Huh, I hadn't noticed that. Good eye.

I guess they forgot to continue including it in whatever CG they used to set this thing up.
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[User Picture]From: seorin
2006-01-14 05:36 pm (UTC)
I've not tried it personally as I'm a very not-busy person but you might be interested in taking a look at Rainlendar. I don't know if it has all the scheduling features you need, though, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't even try integrating with your e-mail. Still, it's lightweight, so if your only reasons for wanting a calendar and e-mail program in one are convenience you'd probably save a good deal of system resources by using this program plus Thunderbird.
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