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Hellfire. [Sep. 16th, 2006|11:06 pm]
Darth Paradox
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Bit by bit, every single possible convenience of air travel is being eliminated.

And now this: http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3172

...How long do you think it will take for laptops to be banned completely from airplanes?

I'm at the point in my life where I fly around three round trips a year. This year so far, I've flown to Baltimore and San Diego for conventions, and I'll be flying home to Ann Arbor in December.

If I have to endure five to six hours of air travel without books, laptop, iPod, or even water, I may not be able to fly anymore. I cannot and will not spend that much time doing nothing at all - that is tantamount to torture for me.
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[User Picture]From: kazriko
2006-09-17 07:02 am (UTC)
I'm going to be taking my PDA, Laptop with 2 batteries, PS2 and PS1 on the plane tomorrow, wish me luck. :)

I'm going to be using my PDA to read likely, so I won't need the laptop... I'll probably just take the batteries out to make it easier. They're Fujitsu brand batteries though, instead of the Sony ones that have had problems recently.
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[User Picture]From: kazriko
2006-09-17 07:03 am (UTC)
(I'm also bringing the 6th harry potter book, in case they decide I shouldn't use my palmtop while I'm there.)
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[User Picture]From: darthparadox
2006-09-17 08:01 am (UTC)
Good luck indeed.

Got a backup plan for if they tell you no electronics at all are allowed?
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[User Picture]From: kazriko
2006-09-17 03:07 pm (UTC)
(Yeah, the harry potter book above. :)

Really, the problem with US air security is that they're going by the "People don't kill people, do" mentality. It's the same mentality that drives all kinds of things in America including gun control and many of our regulations.

The question is, would the people in america accept the alternatives. Our system is designed to work quickly with minimal training on the part of the screeners. El-Al airlines, an Israeli based air travel company, goes the other way. They have highly trained screeners, and instead of screening what you're carrying, they grill you for 3 hours, do background checks, and watch your reactions closely. Once you're on the plane though, they'll hand you a real steak knife. If they don't like you but don't have enough to really prevent you from boarding, they'll stick air marshals on either side of you.

As far as laptop batteries are concerned, it's only logical that they would have problems with them combusting. Anything that has that much energy inside to run one of our modern powerhog laptops will also have the danger of that energy escaping in other fashions. What they need to do is make sure all of their planes provide power ports so they can tape up all batteries as you're boarding and still use the laptop on the plane...
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[User Picture]From: kazriko
2006-09-17 03:16 pm (UTC)
that should be "People don't kill people, (insert items here) do". Darn thing and not properly htmlquoting the text. :)
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[User Picture]From: mizufae
2006-09-17 07:16 am (UTC)
maybe this will be what's needed to push for the creation of an international transoceanic pneumatic transportation tube system. the future is now! or, you know, trains could come back in vogue.
(I apologize for my lj icon, but it's the only plane related one i've got!)
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[User Picture]From: nightsinger
2006-09-17 05:01 pm (UTC)
XD Don't apologise for that icon; it's fucking fabulous!
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From: ex_miang438
2006-09-17 07:49 am (UTC)
I can see this being a real problem, but as I mentioned elsewhere when the air travel industry collectively freaked out after the London plot -- they're going to have to redo the insurance rules and fast if they want to make this work. Currently, passengers are explicitly told to travel with important electronics, and there's small text on ticketing agreements about how the airline isn't responsible, essentially, if you're stupid enough to check your laptop and it gets damaged in-flight. Tough luck, screw you, no insurance coverage the way there would be for a suitcase full of clothes. But if they disallow laptops (and other expensive battery-operated toys) from carry-on without changing the insurance wording, business travelers everywhere are going to rise up in protest.

Me, I'm looking for every excuse I can these days to drive or take a train. I didn't much care for flying to begin with (it's been a bitch for five years now, and I wasn't overly fond of it before that), and as the lines get longer, the scans more intrusive, and the in-flight options / coping mechanisms more limited (still bitter about not being able to bring my own booze on board anymore, yup yup), I've gotten to a point where I'm pretty much just done with it. As it stands now I'm only flying when I'm being paid to do so (like hell I'm shelling out my own money for the "privilege" of being denied anything that would make the experience even remotely comfortable for me!), but we'll see how well that works out when I have to go on the job market... :\
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[User Picture]From: darthparadox
2006-09-17 08:03 am (UTC)
Yeah, only problem for me is that my family lives a couple thousand miles away. I'd have to spend a total of six to eight days on the road to drive there and back, and I don't feel like burning the majority of my Christmas vacation that way.

The solution, of course, is for everyone I know to move to Seattle.
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[User Picture]From: seorin
2006-09-17 03:33 pm (UTC)
I support this solution wholeheartedly
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[User Picture]From: nightsinger
2006-09-17 05:10 pm (UTC)
Six to eight days? Nah. According to Google Maps, it's ~2300 miles. If I can go 1700 in one day by myself, with two drivers, we cna easily get there in a day and a half, even with sleeping. If we don't stop to slepe or anything else, we could get it down to a day and a quarter without even bending speed limits too badly.

My concern would be more that the driving route in question would take us through a hell of a lot of sparsely populated country; if we got into trouble, we'd be pretty well fucked.

But, seriously, 2300 miles is only six tanks of gas in my car. With gas prices putting that around $30 per tank, that's ~$175. (Each way, of course.)

Still, that is a phenomenal waste of time and a pain in the ass. So I second the motion, with a slight modification to "everyone I like."
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[User Picture]From: nightsinger
2006-09-17 05:11 pm (UTC)
Wow, am I lysdexic this morning.

*can

*sleep
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From: kernighan
2006-09-18 02:36 am (UTC)
oh my god! 1700 in one day by yourself? you are my new hero. how did you accomplish this feat?
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[User Picture]From: nightsinger
2006-09-18 04:30 am (UTC)
...Looking at Google Maps as I was re-running through all of this in my head, I apparently mis-remembered the distance -- it was only about 1200. I fucked up.

I was moving cross-country by myself, lol. It wasn't the average for the whole trip by a long shot -- nor do I intend to imply that such a pace is permanently sustainable.

For that stretch, I woke up as late as the motel would let me, a bit east of Santa Rosa, NM, and drove across NM, AZ, and then across CA to I-5, then up I-5 to Santa Cruz, CA. I stopped maybe four times total throughout the entire thing.

I'd like to note, passing through the entirety of Arizona at about 100-110mph helped. There wasn't much need to go any slower than that for the vast majority of that leg of the trip.
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From: kernighan
2006-09-19 07:50 pm (UTC)
*lowers your heroic status a notch*

1200 is still impressive. ^_^ and yeah, the first-day pace is definitely not sustainable... after the first couple days I level off at 300 miles/day (if i'm flying solo).

i know, AZ and NM go so fast! i love highway 40... it's almost like the old route 66.
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[User Picture]From: nightsinger
2006-09-19 08:21 pm (UTC)
heehee, ah, well. :)

Ehhh... that was, like, my fourth day of actual driving. XD I started in Philadelphia, drove to my Dad's in Dallas, and stayed there a month before continuing. :D The whole trip, Philly to Dallas to Seattle (via I-40 to I-5), is something like 4k miles. I slept in WV after driving half a day, AK, TX after half a day's travel from AK, NM, and CA, before hitting my destination, LOL. It was fun.

I did enjoy I-40, though. :D Wonderful for travelling through -- much more so than the more northern/patrolled routes.
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From: dacut
2006-09-17 07:28 pm (UTC)
Virgin Atlantic has banned Dell and Apple notebook batteries. You're allowed to use the notebooks as long as you take the battery out. (But, then, Virgin has power ports at every seat...)

I can't say that I would blame the airlines if they do ban all notebooks. As is typical in the electronics industry, the rush to market means products don't have a long QA cycle before they're released to consumers. These batteries are holding the energy equivalent of a small bomb. Add the two together and ...
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[User Picture]From: kazriko
2006-09-17 09:32 pm (UTC)
Posing here with my laptop in phoenix, US Airways didn't bug me about the laptop at all, it's a Fujitsu though. We'll have to see about American Airways.
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[User Picture]From: staedtler
2006-09-18 01:17 am (UTC)
My personal solution is to get my own damn pilot license.

Unfortunately that costs more than Westjet's fares.
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